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	<title>Comments on: Judge Rotenberg Center &#8211; Close it Down!</title>
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		<title>By: Autism is no excuse for child abuse &#171; Pathways Developmental Learning Center</title>
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		<dc:creator>Autism is no excuse for child abuse &#171; Pathways Developmental Learning Center</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 23:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] *problem* of the autistic child.  I am particularly disturbed by a recent article I read about the Judge Rotenberg Center in Massachusetts. Though electric shock is an extreme example, I think it is just one end of the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] *problem* of the autistic child.  I am particularly disturbed by a recent article I read about the Judge Rotenberg Center in Massachusetts. Though electric shock is an extreme example, I think it is just one end of the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Judge Rotenberg Center&#8217;s ridiculous eating rules &#171; Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Judge Rotenberg Center&#8217;s ridiculous eating rules &#171; Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] No Comments  The Judge Rotenberg Center (JRC) is a school for people with special needs. It has attracted criticism for practices such as the use of electric shocks and the denial of food as aversives or [...]</description>
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		<title>By: amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 01:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I can’t believe that we, as Americans, are letting things like this happen.&lt;/i&gt;

According to a book I read on torture, few people in any country want to believe it goes on in their country, but it usually does.  And it&#039;s always done by the wonderful fine upstanding citizens to all the non-persons, whoever those two groups might be in any given country.

For anyone interested, &lt;a href=&quot;http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=149&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why Students Praise the Judge Rotenberg Center&lt;/a&gt; was my post about that little video they took off the web right after I posted it.  Comments by ex-employees and such are down the page a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I can’t believe that we, as Americans, are letting things like this happen.</i></p>
<p>According to a book I read on torture, few people in any country want to believe it goes on in their country, but it usually does.  And it&#8217;s always done by the wonderful fine upstanding citizens to all the non-persons, whoever those two groups might be in any given country.</p>
<p>For anyone interested, <a href="http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=149" rel="nofollow">Why Students Praise the Judge Rotenberg Center</a> was my post about that little video they took off the web right after I posted it.  Comments by ex-employees and such are down the page a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: theunrulyone</title>
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		<dc:creator>theunrulyone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 08:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just plain awful. I can&#039;t believe that we, as Americans, are letting things like this happen. My soul is wounded, and I am very disappointed in my country-men for not taking a more active role in getting this place shut down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just plain awful. I can&#8217;t believe that we, as Americans, are letting things like this happen. My soul is wounded, and I am very disappointed in my country-men for not taking a more active role in getting this place shut down.</p>
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		<title>By: original cali biomed xprt</title>
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		<dc:creator>original cali biomed xprt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Mr. Israel, you always say it&#039;s about the life-threatening stuff, and the &quot;severe&quot; stuff, but then you guys use the devices on just about anyone for just about anything, so that doesn&#039;t end up holding up, it&#039;s like you drag out the &quot;worst behavior in the world&quot; sorts of stories to distract people and then never explain why the devices are being used on others.

I&#039;ve seen the video you guys use to convince parents that any of their children&#039;s legitimate complaints about the place are actually invalid, too.  The one that invites parents to use behavior modification techniques to keep children from exhibiting what you essentially compartmentalize as &quot;complaining behaviors,&quot; and that subtly encourages them to view all this as them taking part in their children&#039;s &quot;treatment&quot;, and to view any of the complaints as actually being about something &lt;em&gt;else&lt;/em&gt;, because of course you guys don&#039;t do &lt;em&gt;anything&lt;/em&gt; unethical there, supposedly.

One of my current staff people used to work at that place, you know.  In one of the areas for &quot;higher functioning&quot; people.  And even there she didn&#039;t like what she saw and left pretty quickly.  I know people who&#039;ve walked in there for job interviews, taken one look, been unable to stand what they saw, and walked right out again.

Funny thing is, I blogged about that little propaganda video you give parents to teach them to brainwash their children to only say good things about the JRC.  I&#039;d written to other people about it before, pointed it out to people, and so forth.  The minute I blogged about it in public, though, that video disappeared from your website.

These &quot;aversives&quot; don&#039;t only go on in your institution, of course.  They go on in lots of them.  Yours is just one of the slickest and best-organized.

For a long time I&#039;d have been well within your guys&#039; estimation of who&#039;s a candidate for that torture you call treatment.  Banging my head once every second or two for hours on end.  You know what got me to stop?  Respect, being treated like a real person, and being taught things by people who&#039;d been where I&#039;d been.  Which you do not show an iota of to your &quot;students&quot;.  You just program them, and in your slick &quot;We&#039;re doing it for their own good&quot; presentation you remind me a lot of the guy who used to hit me &quot;for my own good&quot; and call it treatment.  Sorry, but torture isn&#039;t treatment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Mr. Israel, you always say it&#8217;s about the life-threatening stuff, and the &#8220;severe&#8221; stuff, but then you guys use the devices on just about anyone for just about anything, so that doesn&#8217;t end up holding up, it&#8217;s like you drag out the &#8220;worst behavior in the world&#8221; sorts of stories to distract people and then never explain why the devices are being used on others.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen the video you guys use to convince parents that any of their children&#8217;s legitimate complaints about the place are actually invalid, too.  The one that invites parents to use behavior modification techniques to keep children from exhibiting what you essentially compartmentalize as &#8220;complaining behaviors,&#8221; and that subtly encourages them to view all this as them taking part in their children&#8217;s &#8220;treatment&#8221;, and to view any of the complaints as actually being about something <em>else</em>, because of course you guys don&#8217;t do <em>anything</em> unethical there, supposedly.</p>
<p>One of my current staff people used to work at that place, you know.  In one of the areas for &#8220;higher functioning&#8221; people.  And even there she didn&#8217;t like what she saw and left pretty quickly.  I know people who&#8217;ve walked in there for job interviews, taken one look, been unable to stand what they saw, and walked right out again.</p>
<p>Funny thing is, I blogged about that little propaganda video you give parents to teach them to brainwash their children to only say good things about the JRC.  I&#8217;d written to other people about it before, pointed it out to people, and so forth.  The minute I blogged about it in public, though, that video disappeared from your website.</p>
<p>These &#8220;aversives&#8221; don&#8217;t only go on in your institution, of course.  They go on in lots of them.  Yours is just one of the slickest and best-organized.</p>
<p>For a long time I&#8217;d have been well within your guys&#8217; estimation of who&#8217;s a candidate for that torture you call treatment.  Banging my head once every second or two for hours on end.  You know what got me to stop?  Respect, being treated like a real person, and being taught things by people who&#8217;d been where I&#8217;d been.  Which you do not show an iota of to your &#8220;students&#8221;.  You just program them, and in your slick &#8220;We&#8217;re doing it for their own good&#8221; presentation you remind me a lot of the guy who used to hit me &#8220;for my own good&#8221; and call it treatment.  Sorry, but torture isn&#8217;t treatment.</p>
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		<title>By: livsparents</title>
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		<dc:creator>livsparents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys got it all wrong, we should EXPAND this program.  Heck, it works for autistics, ADHD, why not bed-wetting, non conformist behaviour, left wing political leanings?  We could bolt on an addition to the Huntington Learning Centers here in the US (basically a private tutoring company).  The possibilities are just endless!

Sorry, for the pun, but it is shocking that a place like this can exist in a first world 21 Century country...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys got it all wrong, we should EXPAND this program.  Heck, it works for autistics, ADHD, why not bed-wetting, non conformist behaviour, left wing political leanings?  We could bolt on an addition to the Huntington Learning Centers here in the US (basically a private tutoring company).  The possibilities are just endless!</p>
<p>Sorry, for the pun, but it is shocking that a place like this can exist in a first world 21 Century country&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Stanton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Stanton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for pointing out the Mother Jones article. It is far more comprehensive than the version published in the Sunday Times. Readers can consult it here
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/school_of_shock.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for pointing out the Mother Jones article. It is far more comprehensive than the version published in the Sunday Times. Readers can consult it here<br />
<a href="http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/school_of_shock.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/school_of_shock.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Matthew L. Israel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew L. Israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Gonnerman’s article “School of Shock,” which appears in the September/October issue of the Mother Jones magazine, is an entirely one-sided and biased account of the court- and parent-approved behavior modification therapy used at the Judge Rotenberg Center to successfully treat, without drugs, severe (sometimes life-threatening) behavior problems of children and young adults with special needs that have not responded to any other form of treatment. For readers who would like to hear the other side of this story, please see http://www.judgerc.org/ResponsetoGonnermanArticle.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Gonnerman’s article “School of Shock,” which appears in the September/October issue of the Mother Jones magazine, is an entirely one-sided and biased account of the court- and parent-approved behavior modification therapy used at the Judge Rotenberg Center to successfully treat, without drugs, severe (sometimes life-threatening) behavior problems of children and young adults with special needs that have not responded to any other form of treatment. For readers who would like to hear the other side of this story, please see <a href="http://www.judgerc.org/ResponsetoGonnermanArticle.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.judgerc.org/ResponsetoGonnermanArticle.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: abfh</title>
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		<dc:creator>abfh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do the survivors praise JRC?  Simply put, they are still under their parents&#039; control.  Unlike the UK&#039;s more enlightened system, people with disabilities in the United States do not automatically gain the status of adults with full civil rights when they turn 18 years old; their parents can go to a judge, present proof of their disability (often this is a very perfunctory showing), and get an order for continuing guardianship.  In many cases, adults with disabilities remain under their parents&#039; custody and control for their entire lives.

Their parents already sent them to JRC once, and they know it can happen again if they don&#039;t give the &quot;right&quot; answers, so they say whatever their parents and the JRC staff want them to say.

Amanda Baggs has described such people as living in a &quot;disability gulag,&quot; and I agree with her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do the survivors praise JRC?  Simply put, they are still under their parents&#8217; control.  Unlike the UK&#8217;s more enlightened system, people with disabilities in the United States do not automatically gain the status of adults with full civil rights when they turn 18 years old; their parents can go to a judge, present proof of their disability (often this is a very perfunctory showing), and get an order for continuing guardianship.  In many cases, adults with disabilities remain under their parents&#8217; custody and control for their entire lives.</p>
<p>Their parents already sent them to JRC once, and they know it can happen again if they don&#8217;t give the &#8220;right&#8221; answers, so they say whatever their parents and the JRC staff want them to say.</p>
<p>Amanda Baggs has described such people as living in a &#8220;disability gulag,&#8221; and I agree with her.</p>
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